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The Business of Learning is produced by the team at TrainingIndustry.com, and focuses on the intersection of business performance and human capital development. Our guests are experts and innovators in organizational learning and development, and we highlight original research on trends and best practices in corporate training.
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Feb 27, 2026
Feb 27, 2026
25 min
Emotional intelligence is becoming increasingly critical for leaders, especially in workplaces shaped by artificial intelligence (AI) and rapid technological change. But what does it actually mean to lead with emotional intelligence, and how can L&D teams help develop this capability in leaders?
In this episode of The Business of Learning, we spoke with Dr. Mikah Sellers, best-selling author, workforce futurist and enterprise transformation leader, to explore how organizations can cultivate emotionally intelligent leaders and why this skill set is more essential than ever.
Tune in now for insights on:
- What emotionally intelligent leadership looks like in practice in AI-driven workplaces
- Why emotional intelligence is a trainable and strategic leadership capability
- How organizations can assess and measure emotional intelligence effectively

Jan 29, 2026
Jan 29, 2026
25 min
Learning and development (L&D) teams are increasingly expected to think beyond programs and courses to operate more like strategic partners to the business. But what does that actually look like in practice? One approach is applying product management principles to how L&D designs and delivers learning.
In this episode of The Business of Learning, we spoke with Rashi Kakkar, global portfolio leader, leadership and development at McKinsey’s Leadership Center of Excellence, to explore how product management mindsets can help L&D teams align learning more closely with business outcomes and learner needs.
Tune in now for insights on:
- The similarities between product management and modern L&D processes
- What L&D can learn from product managers about taking a more strategic, business-first approach
- How customer-centric thinking can improve learning design and impact

Dec 16, 2025
Dec 16, 2025
28 min
Moving into higher-level or executive positions in learning and development (L&D) requires strategic thinking, business alignment and a clear understanding of what senior L&D roles truly entail. From building the right competencies to navigating common career roadblocks, L&D professionals need a roadmap for stepping into roles like chief learning officer (CLO) or vice president of learning.
In this episode of The Business of Learning, we spoke with Amy DuVernet, Ph.D., CPTM, vice president of learning products at Training Industry, to explore what it takes to grow your L&D career into executive leadership.
Tune in now to hear insights on:
- Key higher-level L&D job titles to know
- The core skills and competencies required to step into executive positions
- The role certifications and professional development programs can play in career advancement
- Common roadblocks L&D professionals face when pursuing higher-level roles — and how to overcome them

Dec 9, 2025
Dec 9, 2025
48 min
Developing effective leaders is more important than ever, but understanding which skills matter most and how to build them can be challenging. From navigating new team dynamics to giving impactful feedback, today’s leaders need both foundational and modern leadership capabilities to thrive.
In this episode of The Business of Learning, we spoke with Gena Cox, Ph.D., organizational psychologist and speaker, and Jevon Gondwe, founder of Influential Skills, to discuss how learning and development (L&D) can help leaders succeed in today’s evolving work environment.
Tune in now for insights on:
- How leadership skills have shifted in recent years and which foundational skills remain essential
- Key challenges leaders face today and strategies for overcoming them
- How L&D can support leaders in giving effective feedback to improve team performance
- Approaches to measuring the impact of leadership skills training

Nov 19, 2025
Nov 19, 2025
21 min
In celebration of Training Industry’s 20-year anniversary, we asked our listeners to share their perspectives on the past, present and future of learning and development (L&D).
In this bonus episode of The Business of Learning, we dig into your submissions and explore the L&D trends that shaped the last two decades — and those that will define the future of the field.
Tune in now to hear insights on:
- How AI-powered role-play is reshaping skills development
- The ways the COVID-19 pandemic transformed the L&D industry
- Why, despite new technologies, the future of L&D remains deeply human

Oct 28, 2025
Oct 28, 2025
29 min
Understanding the impact of training is a top priority for learning leaders — but knowing where to start with learning analytics can be challenging. From identifying the right metrics to connecting data back to business goals, effective measurement is key to building a more strategic L&D function.
In this episode of The Business of Learning, we spoke with Brandy Ford, CPTM, assistant vice president of manager strategy, analytics and technology at FM, to discuss how L&D professionals can develop foundational analytics skills and demonstrate real business impact.
Tune in now to hear insights on:
- Where to begin when measuring training effectiveness
- Key learning metrics to track, and how to align them with business key performance indicators (KPIs)
- Practical tips for engaging stakeholders in defining success

Oct 17, 2025
Oct 17, 2025
30 min
With tighter budgets and ongoing economic uncertainty, many learning leaders are being asked to do more with less. Managing training functions with limited resources requires creativity, strategic prioritization and strong stakeholder alignment.
In this episode of The Business of Learning, brought to you by Synthesia, we sat down with experienced L&D leaders Lauren Olson and Harry Colangelo, CPTM to explore how L&D professionals can maximize impact even when resources are scarce.
Tune in now to hear insights on:
- Making the most of existing tools, platforms and content
- Engaging subject matter experts to stretch training resources further
- Skills L&D professionals need to stay resilient during uncertainty

Aug 21, 2025
Aug 21, 2025
25 min
Artificial intelligence (AI) is bringing both challenges and opportunities to the corporate learning space.
In this episode of The Business of Learning — recorded live, in person at the 2025 Training Industry Conference & Expo (TICE) — we sat down with Nichol Bradford, executive-in-residence, AI+HI at SHRM, futurist, and founder and chairman of Transformative Tech Lab, to explore how learning leaders can use AI to drive human potential while navigating its challenges.
Tune in now for insights on:
- What it means to responsibly implement AI in the workplace
- How generative AI can augment, not replace, human talent
- Preparing L&D teams to lead an AI-enabled future of work
- Opportunities and challenges in using AI to enhance employee well-being

Aug 11, 2025
Aug 11, 2025
15 min
Change is inevitable, but the good news is that leading it successfully is a skill that can be learned.
In this episode of The Business of Learning — recorded live, in person at the 2025 Training Industry Conference & Expo (TICE) in celebration of Training Industry’s 20-year anniversary — we sat down with Dr. Michelle Rozen, a keynote speaker, author and expert on change management, to explore how learning leaders can support their organizations through disruption and help teams stay focused, motivated and resilient.
Tune in now for insights on:
- How to drive sustainable change across the organization
- Turning resistance into engagement
- Key mindset shifts for leaders navigating uncertainty

Jul 31, 2025
Jul 31, 2025
25 min
As technology continues to evolve at a rapid pace, organizations are under increasing pressure to equip their technical teams with the right skills to drive the business forward.
In this episode of The Business of Learning, we sat down with Aleksandar Orovcanec, technical training specialist at CSA Group, to explore how learning leaders can develop and support future-ready tech teams
Tune in now to hear insights on:
- Overcoming common technical training challenges
- Strategies for integrating soft skills into technical learning programs
- The impact of AI on technical skills development and training approaches
