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The Business of Learning is produced by the team at TrainingIndustry.com, and focuses on the intersection of business performance and human capital development. Our guests are experts and innovators in organizational learning and development, and we highlight original research on trends and best practices in corporate training.
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Monday Sep 30, 2024
Monday Sep 30, 2024
In this first video episode of The Business of Learning, we spoke with Tom Whelan, Ph.D., director of corporate research at Training Industry, about training measurement and evaluation. Specifically, we discussed the International Organization for Standardization, or ISO’s, latest guidance for L&D metrics, which are further detailed in the Training Industry Research e-book “Learning Measurement for Modern Business: Making Sense of ISO 30437.”
Tune in now for insights on:
• The 5-4-3 Framework.
• The three categories of metrics mentioned in the report — efficacy, effectiveness and outcome metrics.
• What these guidelines mean for the training vendor market moving forward.
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Monday Aug 26, 2024
Monday Aug 26, 2024
Multiple studies have shown that employee well-being is declining, with one recent report revealing that over 80% of employees are at risk of burnout in 2024.
Although employee well-being is primarily a human priority, it’s equally important for businesses. In addition to burnout, low employee well-being can lead to decreased productivity, engagement and even turnover.
In this episode of The Business of Learning, we spoke with Kyile Stair, chief people officer at Litmos, to learn more about how learning and development (L&D) leaders can champion well-being — and even improve their own.
Listen now for insights on:
- The manager’s role in supporting employee well-being.
- The importance of mental health awareness training.
- How to make time and space for wellness and self-care as a busy learning leader.

Monday Jul 29, 2024
The Business of Learning, Episode 77: Elevate Employee Engagement With L&D
Monday Jul 29, 2024
Monday Jul 29, 2024
Businesses across industries consistently struggle to engage their workforce. Can learning and development (L&D) help businesses engage their people? And if so, how can learning leaders begin tackling what has become a pressing business challenge?
We answer these questions more in the latest episode of The Business of Learning, where we spoke with Josiah Pledl, CPTM, founder of 45 Degrees Leadership Consulting and Dr. Britt Andreatta, author and CEO of Brain Aware Training.
Tune in for insights on:
- The connection between employee engagement and employee well-being.
- How to create a learning culture in your organization.
- The manager’s role in supporting employee engagement.

Monday Jun 24, 2024
Monday Jun 24, 2024
With job roles ranging from instructional designer to training manager to chief learning officer and more, a career in learning and development (L&D) offers purpose-driven opportunities for growth and advancement. However, most L&D careers are far from linear, and it's inevitable that you'll face both highs and lows along the way.
In this episode of The Business of Learning, sponsored by Edstutia, we spoke with two “accidental trainers” — Jen Recla, leadership coach and trainer at Recla Coaching and Consulting, and Annie Lee, Ed.D., senior director of organization and talent development at PepsiCo Beverages North America — to hear about their L&D career journeys and their advice for others in the field.
Tune in for insights on:
- The skills that training professionals need to be successful (and how to develop them).
- How to “be your own advocate” throughout your L&D career.
- The benefits of pursuing a career in L&D.

Monday May 20, 2024
Monday May 20, 2024
Business acumen can help position learning leaders as strategic business partners. The challenge? Most of us aren’t born with business savvy. The good news, however, is that business acumen is a skill that can be learned.
In the 75th episode of The Business of Learning, we spoke with Dr. Keith Keating, author of “The Trusted Learning Advisor” and chief learning and development officer at BDO Canada, to learn more about how to build business acumen as a learning leader.
Listen now for insights on:
- Learning the lingo: Why speaking the language of your stakeholders is key in gaining their buy-in and support.
- Seeking feedback: Why feedback is ultimately a gift that can help you advance L&D in your organization.
- Listening to learn: Why taking the time to listen and learn is essential for delivering strategic training programs.

Monday Apr 01, 2024
The Business of Learning, Episode 74: Leading and Working Across Generations
Monday Apr 01, 2024
Monday Apr 01, 2024
Today’s workforce consists of a diverse blend of generations whose distinct values, experiences and skills bring both challenges and opportunities to organizations. After all, research consistently shows that diverse teams outperform their counterparts.
In this episode of The Business of Learning, brought to you by Wisetail, we spoke with Ryan Jenkins, a Wall Street Journal best-selling author and thought leader on working and leading across generations, about navigating the multigenerational workplace.
Listen now to hear Ryan’s thoughts on:
- Why generations are “clues” not “absolutes.”
- How to leverage each generation’s strengths.
- Leading multigenerational teams.

Thursday Feb 29, 2024
The Business of Learning, Episode 73: The State of DEI Training in 2024
Thursday Feb 29, 2024
Thursday Feb 29, 2024
In 2024, it’s widely established that diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) is essential for business success. However, many companies still struggle to deliver DEI training and awareness initiatives that make a lasting impact.
In this episode of The Business of Learning, we spoke with Deanna Singh, author and co-founder of Uplifting Impact, a training and education workplace inclusion firm, to learn more about the state of DEI training in 2024 as well as tips for developing and delivering effective DEI programs.

Monday Jan 29, 2024
Monday Jan 29, 2024
From recent advancements in artificial intelligence (AI) to immersive learning technologies and much more, the learning tech space is an exciting and fast-paced segment of the corporate training market. In the first episode of The Business of Learning's seventh season, we spoke with industry experts about learning technology trends and innovations.
Listen now for insights on:
- How advancements in AI are impacting the learning tech space.
- How to select the right technology to support your programs.
- The skills learning leaders need to maximize their learning tech stacks.

Tuesday Dec 19, 2023
Tuesday Dec 19, 2023
Without reinforcement, even the best training programs will fail to drive sustained behavior change. Delivering “sticky” learning programs that encourage learning retention over time is key to realizing the business benefits of training and development.
To learn more about learning reinforcement strategies and best practices, we spoke with Elena Agaragimova, a talent development specialist, author and podcaster, and Rachel Walerstein, CPTM, senior manager of learning and talent development for the AIDS Foundation of Chicago, in the latest episode of The Business of Learning.
Listen now for insights on:
- The manager’s role in learning reinforcement.
- Leveraging technology for improved learning retention.
- How to create a learning culture in both in-person and virtual settings.

Monday Dec 04, 2023
Monday Dec 04, 2023
Competency modeling offers learning and development (L&D) professionals a data-driven approach to understanding employee skills and abilities, and their alignment with job roles and functions.
However, building impactful competency models can be complex, particularly in large, geographically dispersed organizations. This episode of The Business of Learning offers expert advice that can help you begin building custom competency models for your organization. Listen now for insights from Dr. Amy DuVernet, CPTM, director of training and development at Training Industry, Alyssa Kaszycki, learning product manager at Training Industry, Brian Blecke, founding partner and senior learning strategist at Actio Learning, and Kelly Smith, partner and senior performance consultant at Actio Learning.